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The Afghanistan Question, 9-11, The London Blitz of 1940, and 'Hunting People For Jesus'

Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:24 PM EST
politics, obama, afghanistan, war, afghanistan-war, london-blitz
By Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Image by the author. All other images used for this article published under a Creative Commons 3.0 license via Wikipedia.

General Stanley McChrystal, commander, US Army forces, Afghanistan

London, the Blitz, September 1940. Fifty-seven straight days of bombing left more than 47,000 people dead. Even after the bombing finally stopped, the city endured several years of rocket attacks.

Children sitting among the rubble in London.

The skies above London were lit up brightly by the bombings for almost two months.

As the great Edward R Murrow reported in his famous radio broadcast, 'This is London...'

A German recon photo.

It's doubtful the great Winston Churchill would have gone down the same road as the U.S. regarding Afghanistan, or even Iraq.

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Sometimes it's good to step back and take a look at things with a historical eye. President Obama is probably losing sleep about what to do in Afghanistan. Or maybe he's just wondering where to find all those soldiers that General McChrystal is requesting for the war.

According to multiple reports from major news sources, we have roughly 51,000 troops available for deployment. However, some of the brigades do not have heavy armor and are mostly light infantry. If you take away these light units, the number falls to around 37,000 men. We will have more in early 2010 when some brigades who are resting from previous deployments again become available.

Still, when you think about it, that isn't a whole lot of men, and some of them would (again) have to come from the ranks of the National Guard and the Reservists. We must remember that these NG's and Reservists are all-volunteers with civilian lives, jobs, and families. In reality, many of them are not prepared for full-scale war and heavy combat. As a former Regular Army volunteer, this writer can attest to this fact. Reservists are true patriots, but sending them into the breach is not the same as calling up Regular Army soldiers.

The whole thing reminds me of a quote from the film Apollo 13:

NASA engineer to Ken Mattingly in the simulator: 'Ken, you're telling me what you need. I'm telling you what we have to work with at this point. I'm not making this stuff up.'

Ken Mattingly: 'They're gonna need all these systems, John.'

John the Engineer: 'We do not have the power, Ken! We just don't have it.'

That pretty much sums up the present situation. We just don't have the power, or the money to fund such a ridiculous idea as expanding the war in Afghanistan. Our all-volunteer force has limits, and Hurricane Katrina was a good lesson about what happens when you strip our National Guard and Reserves to pursue foreign adventures. Increasing our forces in Afghanistan will leave the U.S. home front virtually defenseless on the ground, and if disaster strikes, we will have less response to it by the Federal Government.

It's as simple as that.

The only answer is to bring our boys back to their families intact - NOW - instead of purchasing more bullets, bombs, and body bags.

That scene is going nowhere. Ask the Russians, they know all about it.

September 11, 2001 is a date that will live, as FDR said so profoundly about Pearl Harbor, in infamy. But it's time for Americans to quit whining about it and move on. Yes, we should create memorials and tighten up the home front to make it much more difficult for such a thing to happen again. We surely won't forget it, but we have to stop living in the past and move forward.

September 11 was a massive and tragic event, but other countries have endured far worse and still moved forward. The famous London Blitz of 1940 is the best example from recent times.

In September of 1940, the German Luftwaffe bombed London for 57 days straight. And even after the Germans halted the constant bombing, they continued launching V-1 and V-2 rockets at the city for most of the remainder of the war. The bravery and resilience of London's citizens under such a barrage is a lesson for us all.

Of course, there are some differences between England's response to the Blitz, and our own response to 9-11. The British had two things going for them that still escape the United States. They had a definite enemy and they knew exactly where that enemy lived. They also had help in putting an end to the German threat from a number of other countries, including the Soviet Union, France (half), Canada, Australia, China, Poland, Greece, the Netherlands, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Norway, Yugoslavia, little Luxembourg, and of course, the United States.

Although the U.S. has some minor help in Afghanistan, America does not have a worldwide consensus of support from our allies. Basically, we're going it alone and that is dangerous.

Where are our NATO allies in all of this? This is the list:

Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, and the United Kingdom.

Most of them are conspicuously absent.

Should the President trust General Stanley McChrystal's word on Afghanistan? Although he's a great West Point officer, he was also criticized for his role in the Pat Tillman 'friendly fire' coverup, and some members of his unit in Iraq were disciplined for abusing prisoners during interrogation at Abu Ghirab.

These things show that even though McCrystal claims he can win the war in Afghanistan with more troops, that in reality he knows nothing about the real motives of terrorism.

Afghanistan is a dead end. This writer proposes a different approach. Tighten up security at home, and work within the global framework to fight terrorism overseas.

The present road we travel is dark, and our destination unknown. And if you think it can't get any crazier over there, consider this: Not only is it against the law in Afghanistan to attempt to convert the population to a non-Muslim religion, it is also against U.S. Army regulations to proselytize. But this hasn't stopped groups of soldiers from passing out Bibles printed both in English and in the local language. In THIS VIDEO, soldiers discuss 'hunting people for Jesus' to 'bring them into the kingdom'.

It's time to reconsider our priorities and end this war - once and for all.

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Reply#1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:26 PM EST
jaywow67

Doesn't belong in Photography group.

    #1.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:50 PM EST
    Wildcard-781265

    Good artical Robert, nice pics too.

      #1.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:16 PM EST
      Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

      jaywow67 says:

      'Doesn't belong in Photography group.'

      Wildcard says, in part:

      '...nice pics too...'

      This is why it ended up in the Photography group. I will occasionally select certain articles to place into that group, the heavily-illustrated ones. It was a borderline call, I'll admit. I finally went with it due to the time I spent enhancing some of Blitz photos. A few of the originals looked pretty ragged.

        #1.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 AM EST
        Lampell

        This is why it ended up in the Photography group.

        I lived in the U.K. from 1975 until 1984, and could tell where certain areas had been bombed, vacant lots, etc. My first wife was English, came from the East End, her mother used to tell me stories bout the blitz, very sad.

          #1.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:16 AM EST
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          Lampell

          Many military decisions are based on politics, maybe even most. The current President campaigned with a promise that he would pursue the war because it was a war of necessity. Forget whether he was right or wrong. One of the main reasons he did campaign on that premise was to show that he was strong. He was running against a man who was a former POW and hero. If the candidate were to have said both wars were not pursuing he might have been seen as a weak leader.

          He also probably thought that since not many Americans were dying in Afghanistan at the time it was winnable, a "no brainer". Of course as soon as he sent additional troops over there back in March and the troops went out in the field, the inevitable occurred, American soldiers started to be shot at and the body count went up. At that point it was his war, his decision. His most ardent followers will agree with what ever he does, pull out, send more troops in etc. Independents, who are a big percentage of his supporters during the election might look at it another way, that he is being a waffler. In the end he will send more troops in but make it look like he is a thoughtful man, he gave every angle consideration. Result, of course, is the same, he sent in more troops.

          You mentioned Great Britain having an advantage over us, they had allies, we have almost none. Well I dont know if that holds up very well, yes we dont have too many allies, on the other hand we are facing one country, Afghanistan, not exactly the firepower of the German Reich. Without the Soviet Union, and later the U.S. there would be no Great Britain. Some how I dont think we will go under if we dont defeat Afghanistan. Analogies are great, but this one, in my opinion, is a bit stretched.

          Not saying we shouldnt remove the troops, but politics wont allow it at this point.

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          Reply#2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:33 PM EST
          Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

          Lampell says in part:

          'Not saying we shouldn't remove the troops, but politics won't allow it at this point.'

          As Harry Truman said: 'The Buck Stops Here.' Politics? People are dying and families are grieving and it has gone on for eight miserable years. We are beginning to approach the length of time we were in Vietnam.

          In this case, the decision about the war falls squarely into the President's lap, since he is Commander-in-Chief. He could end the war with a phone call to the DOD, should he choose to do so. That may be naive, but it is the truth.

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          Reply#3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:24 PM EST
          Lampell

          In this case, the decision about the war falls squarely into the President's lap, since he is Commander-in-Chief. He could end the war with a phone call to the DOD, should he choose to do so. That may be naive, but it is the truth.

          You know that, I know that, but we are talking about politics, what the President thinks will work to his advantage politcally. If he decides to pull out, makes him look a bit silly since in March he said that this war should be pursued and sent in 20,000 more troops. What has happened since March other than Americans are being killed. You send in soldiers they get shot at, so what has changed?

          He has to stall in order to asses the situation. In the end as I said he will send in more troops but in order not to lose his base of supporters will say its not an open ended committment, which of course shouldnt have to be said in the first place. To appear to give up after 6 months (when he made the speech that said the war was worth fighting) would look rather foolish for him as a Comander in Chief. And to be totally cynical he aint gonna make any decisions re new troops until after healthcare reform is passed, so he dont tick off his base. I am not saying what his decision should be, only what is, not what should be.

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          #3.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:08 PM EST
          Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

          I hear you. I really do.

          I just hope he looks beyond the politics on this one and makes any decision regarding Afghanistan on what is best for America. On a side note, we could easily pay for health reform on what we're spending each month in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a friggin' shame.

          • 2 votes
          #3.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:28 PM EST
          Lampell

          On a side note, we could easily pay for health reform on what we're spending each month in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a friggin' shame

          I seem to remember when I took Economics 101 in college about 40 years ago, something to do with guns vs butter. We go into war thinking that the expenditure will be small and temporary. And of course, pervesely, that its good for business. Things like healthcare are a permanent expenditure no matter how well intentioned. We always manage to find a war so the argument will go on and on.

          We are getting to the point, however, where we are running out of money for everything, in the old days costs would never be mentioned for war only social projects. We are a declining nation, much like Great Britain after she lost her colonies. A nation of paper pushers and our bankers, China, will control the purse strings. Sad but true.

          • 2 votes
          #3.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:26 AM EST
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          Wildcard-781265

          Wars are declared by men who do not fight, and fought by men who don’t want to, Wise is the general who knows how to win a war, but wiser still is the general who knows when he can’t win.

          I believe obama needs to either commit everything we have to winning this or get out now, I understand the politics of it but there is also the strain on man power and funds that play a very important part right now.

          If we are going to continue to ask out fighting men and women to go and face possible death, we should give them every possible chance to win.

          In WWII the people gave up much at home in order to support the war and I believe they would again if the government would commit to winning it rather than just fighting it, give our troops whatever it take to win....or get them out.

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          Reply#4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:49 PM EST
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