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Why Hillary Clinton Should Break Her Silence and Tell the Truth - She Never WANTED to Be Vice-President

News Type: Opinion — Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:37 AM EDT
politics, clinton, hillary-clinton, joe-biden, vice-presidency
Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Hillary Clinton's portrait at the Smithsonian. Public domain image.

Image credit - Mike Haw

Democratic women are asking themselves this question all across America.

Answer: YES

Image credit - The Arizona Rain Man via Creative Commons/Flickr

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Barack Obama should have put Hillary Clinton on the ticket. It was a big mistake. Clinton supporters are so upset that they're voting for McCain. It's time to dump Joe Biden RIGHT NOW and have Clinton step into his place.

This is what some people are saying.

These same people think Hillary Clinton is angry because Obama passed her over for Joe Biden, and the Clintons are just going through the motions in their support for Obama.

Some people even say that the Clintons secretly hope Barack Obama loses the election.

And if you believe this tripe, then I have some beachfront property in Kansas that I'll sell you cheap. Because none of these assumptions are accurate.

The truth is that Clinton never wanted to be the next Vice-President. Of course she was disappointed after the primaries. She had just lost the nomination and found herself millions of dollars in debt. But how did this tough lady react to the most major of disappointments?

She gave a great concession speech and put the lie to any claims she wasn't a true Democrat, throwing her support behind Obama. And then she followed it up with a historical speech at the Democratic National Convention.

Remember when Obama met Clinton at Diane Feinstein's home, just before the announcement she was dropping from the race? The subject of adding her to the ticket undoubtedly came up.

It was one of the main reasons for the meeting. When they emerged, both were laughing.

Hillary Clinton declined his offer. This is the real reason why Obama did not have her vetted. It's logical. Otherwise, he would have vetted her, even for the sake of appearances, or out of respect. But she never wanted the job.

Hillary Clinton spent eight years in the White House. She knows all about the limited duties of a Vice President. After that discussion was out of the way, they probably went on to talk about her role in an Obama administration.

A Vice President has relatively little power. On the other hand, a U.S. Senator from the state of New York, one with a mandate from over 18 million voters, has much more.

With Clinton, it's always been about her agenda. People, health care, and all the other issues she strives to achieve could never be accomplished standing in the shadows as Obama's running mate.

Vice-Presidents don't introduce legislation or get major bills passed in the Senate. In an Obama administration, Clinton's agenda would be the closest thing to a rubber stamp each time she introduced a bill. Her power would be legendary - and she knows it.

It's time for Hillary Clinton to tell America her true feelings and put any doubts to rest about her desire to serve as Vice President. America needs to know.

Hillary Clinton would never give up her Senate seat just to watch from the sidelines and play lady-in-waiting to Obama.

She would much rather make the issues she has fought for all her life become reality in an Obama administration. But in order for her to accomplish that, Barack Obama has to become our next President.

It follows that if you support Hillary, you will vote for Obama and help Clinton achieve her agenda.

It's what she wants you to do.

And Hillary Clinton will do a lot more for this country than another woman we know.

Believe THAT.

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Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Hopefully she will mention this 'Vice President' stuff in at least one speech on the campaign trail and put supporters' minds to rest.

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Reply#1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:39 AM EDT
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arcanebliss

I am angered at those who imply that Hillary Clinton was snubbed by the Obama campaign in some way because he didn't vet or choose her for VP.

However - and I mean no offense when I say this - perhaps I missed something in the article, but where is the factual proof that Clinton never wished to be on the ticket? Or is that simply opinion like the opinion that Obama snubbed Clinton?

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#1.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
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determined0a1

I don' buy the story.

Hillary invested years dreaming to be President and then......a Super Junior Senator with little experience came and took away her dreams.

Hillary would like to see Obama back in the U.S. Senate.

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#1.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:11 AM EDT
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arcanebliss

Except Hilary Clinton has stated otherwise, determined. Therefore I believe your comment should read:

"My opinion is that Hillary would like to see Obama back in the U.S. Senate. "

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#1.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:19 AM EDT
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Nick Ford

Determined, your point might be valid but it has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton and the Vice Presidency.

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#1.4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

The fact they met for dinner at her house before her announcement to withdraw should tell you something. He didn't go there to snub her. He went there to talk about what she wanted. Ask yourself the key question: She was ready to give up her Senate seat to become President. But would she give up her seat for a VP slot? Unlikely.

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#1.5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
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arcanebliss

I'm strict to the facts on the table, Robert. I like opinions that are supported by facts. The idea that you're guessing what was discussed is shaky to me. Sorry. :(

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#1.6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
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SnotRag Dave

But... commentary is partly about guessing.

Robert, your article is fine as it stands.

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#1.7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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arcanebliss

Snotrag, I'm not saying he should take the article down...

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#1.8 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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SnotRag Dave

Of course you aren't, AB.

I would expect hard facts if this was presented as a news event.

As a commentary, however, opinion with factual ties is fine. I would doubt that Senator Clinton aspires to the VP slot. I have maintained for a long time that her current slot in the Senate is the place to be. No term limits. One campaign every 6 years. Legislation that is named after you. Sweet.

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#1.9 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Oh, it's strictly opinion and some guesswork, this article. Some of it I based on rather limited evidence. I don't agree with the idea that Obama snubbed her. He's not dumb, and that would definitely be a dumb move. He wants her supporters to vote for him.

I remember listening to Clinton a couple of times after the concession when she was asked about the VP thing. Her response was always lukewarm, at best. She wasn't exactly gushing about it.

She knows all about what VP's do, and don't do. Or can't do.

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#1.10 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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BB-375952

I think that it went both ways, she was snubbed and also she didn't want the second in command position. If by any chance he did ask her he felt pressure from the democratic party that he should be polite as to ask her, but he knew she would turn him down.

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    Reply#2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
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    determined0a1

    The only meeting that I remember and was published was in the house of the US Senator Feintein, no dinner was mentioned.

    I Google the info and I could not find it.

    Please, is possible a link to a dinner of Obama and Hillary in her home?

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    #2.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
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    BB-375952

    I only know of the Feinstein meeting that lasted about an hour, no dinner. I haven't heard about the dinner at the Clinton's as the article stated.

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      #2.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2935972,"authorDomain":"oneburn"}
      oneburn

      She would have accepted the VP spot. I seriously doubt she would have turned it down because it would have made her look very, very bad. She just wasn't the ideal pick for VP in this election. Nothing more than that. She doesn't even need to be talking right now.

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      Reply#3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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      Gulliver Swift

      The alternative explanation I heard on TV from Howard Fineman, I believe, was that Hillary requested to not be vetted unless Obama was serious about putting her on the ticket. He described it as a sort of "chicken and egg thing".

      Hillary could always pull a Palin and lie about this. Obama would forever be in her debt.

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      Reply#4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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      Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

      Bottom line of the article REALLY is: If you supported Hillary Clinton, check the 'Obama' box on November 4.

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      Reply#5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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      determined0a1

      No, the bottom line is that there was not dinner, i.e. the meeting was in a third party (US Senator Feinstein), there were not friendly grounds at that time.

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        Reply#6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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        Superman2001

        Are you splitting hairs or what? That's that bottom line, that a couple of specifics were out of place?

        Honest question: Do you think Hillary Clinton would have accepted if offered the VP slot? Consider the points made in the article about the actual duties of a VP (especially sitting behind a perfectly healthy 47 year old whose biggest health concern is the smoking habit he has given up) versus what she can accomplish as a well-respected US Senator. Consider the fact that she threw her support behind Obama just days after the primaries were over. Consider that, even though you digress, she did meet privately with Obama the day after the race, and the likelihood that the VP spot came into consideration. Consider the fact that, had Obama put her on the ticket, he'd have received a huge surge in the polls that no other candidate, male, female, or otherwise (!) could have given him. Consider the nonsense that would ensue for two months with pundits second guessing his choice. The easy thing to do would have been to at least talk to her about joining him to form the often spoken of "Dream Ticket".

        So do you honestly think that she was interested and would have accepted his offer?

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        #6.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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        determined0a1

        Ok.

        Obama could pay easily for the debts of Hillary's campaign.

        He was sured that nothing was on his way to the Presidency and made a tactical mistake (or his camp who decides what to do or not to do).

        For Hillary now is to work together in the U.S. Senate as colleagues.

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        #6.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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        Superman2001

        So, yes or no?

        And I don't think the FEC allows one person or campaign to donate $20 million to another campaign. I think that's against the rules. So how exactly could Obama have easily paid off Hillary's debts?

        http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#How_much_can_I_contribute

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        #6.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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        determined0a1

        Obama or his camp could ask for a loan like Kerry did in 2004. Garage Sales, Lemonade Stands, Neighborhood desserts and coffees, Saving the Quarters and Dimes, Washing Cars. Do you want more ideas?

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        • 1 vote
        #6.4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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        Superman2001

        First off, unless I'm mistaken, Kerry's loan was to pay off his own campaign, no? If not, please refresh my memory.

        Secondly, you think the presumptive nominee of the Democratic party should use his time and energy arranging garage sales, lemonade stands, car washes, etc., to help pay off someone else's campaign debt? Is that because you want him to lose? This wasn't a race for a City Council chair. This was a presidential election. (Btw, Hillary's debt is the prime reason she should have ended her campaign weeks before the primaries were over. She would have still won votes going down the stretch, she would have had the support of her most loyal party members at the convention, and some of the bruises sustained late in the campaign would not have been as prominent. Now, she not only lost, but is hoping for her supporters to pay her bills.)

        Finally, you still haven't answered the primary question. Are you going to? Or are we going to let this completely deteriorate?

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        #6.5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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        Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

        Yeah...I edited the article a bit to reflect that the meeting was at Feinstein's place. My mistake. I'm not worried about Hillary Clinton being able to pay off her campaign debt. She's probably still getting donations.

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        #6.6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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        determined0a1

        super,

        For a bag of popcorn the price is $28,300.00

        This is an example of the kind of lemonada stand that I posted.

        http://drudgereport.com/flashbh.htm

        This is why the DNC worn the losers badge.

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        #6.7 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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        Superman2001

        So, just to clarify, in the middle of an election, the Democratic nominee should, instead of holding fundraisers for his own campaign (not to mention to bolster the DNC's war chest, which has been well behind the RNC's for months now), hold fundraisers to settle the runner-up's debt. Is that what you're saying?

        If that's what you're saying, my question is: Why? Hillary Clinton had 18 million people vote for her, including thousands of high rollers. They can't settle her debt? She couldn't have stopped before she went further into debt? I just don't follow the logic that says that Barack Obama is responsible for Clinton's campaign debt. Sorry.

        Furthermore, it's my understanding that the two have, in fact, held joint events to help pay down some of that debt, so... what are you arguing for again?

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/10/AR2008071002813.html?hpid=topnews
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25357545/
        http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-24-obama-clinton-debt_N.htm

        Beyond that, what does that have to do with offering her the bottom half of the ticket?

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        • 1 vote
        #6.8 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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        determined0a1

        Super,

        It's just my idea of the bottom line.

        It's better to spend that money than to lose a Presidential election.

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          #6.9 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2957976,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
          determined0a1

          Beyond that, what does that have to do with offering her the bottom half of the ticket?

          a) Hillary's Delegates, half of them not earned, were given to Obama.

          b) When counting the Delegates California passed. Why? Because that put Hillary at the top of the ticket for few minutes.

          c) The luck of Obama had been changed since that day.

          I understand how a woman is wired.

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          • 1 vote
          #6.10 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2958940,"authorDomain":"superman2001"}
          Superman2001

          a) Hillary's Delegates, half of them not earned, were given to Obama.

          Irrelevant. Obama won the nomination without Hillary's delegates. This happens at every convention.

          b) When counting the Delegates California passed. Why? Because that put Hillary at the top of the ticket for few minutes.

          Also irrelevant. If they'd started with a state that Hillary won, like California or New York, or any other state that she took more delegates out of, she'd have been on top for a few minutes. The fact is she released all her delegates after New York was called, and that was the official end of her campaign. The delegate roll call was nothing but symbolism.

          c) The luck of Obama had been changed since that day.

          On what day? In what respect?

          I understand how a woman is wired.

          So what?

          I really don't know where you're going with this. And you still haven't answered my question.

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          #6.11 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
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          determined0a1

          Oh, I mean, $28,300 for the gourmet popcorn and $200.00 for the bag.

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          Reply#7 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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          Tane Lewis

          Notice Bill Clinton said on the View today that Hillary didn't want the VP slot.

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